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Title: Where does Trump get his dumb ideas?
Post by: 4GSR on April 17, 2019, 10:49:27 AM
Where does Trump get his dumb ideas?

Ouch!!!

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Title: Re: Where does Trump get his dumb ideas?
Post by: Jake Parker on April 17, 2019, 07:55:33 PM
Hypocrisy at its best.
Title: Re: Where does Trump get his dumb ideas?
Post by: PJB on April 18, 2019, 08:58:12 AM
Preach...
Title: Re: Where does Trump get his dumb ideas?
Post by: chips and more on April 18, 2019, 11:18:07 AM
I will just go into my Hobby Shop, close the door behind me, turn up the music and enjoy the day without politics ( I call it total BS!).
Title: Re: Where does Trump get his dumb ideas?
Post by: savarin on April 18, 2019, 08:22:01 PM
The major problem of politicians of any persuasion is they all confuse confidence with competence.
(Dunning-Kruger effect)
Title: Re: Where does Trump get his dumb ideas?
Post by: grumpygator on April 18, 2019, 08:40:08 PM
Ain't that a long-winded way of saying I don't know my ass from my elbow?
    **G**
Title: Re: Where does Trump get his dumb ideas?
Post by: woodchucker on April 18, 2019, 09:13:22 PM
The problem with most politicians, is they have no common sense, and the mighty $$$$ drives their decisions.
The next problem is party loyalty, it means that they aren't thinking for themselves, or rarely thinking for themselves or their constituents.


The next problem is .... well none of us would be friends with Aholes like that right? We don't like being jerked around do we?
Title: Re: Where does Trump get his dumb ideas?
Post by: Carpenter84 on April 18, 2019, 09:55:36 PM
What happened to all the trump love that was flowing like water earlier in this forum?
Title: Re: Where does Trump get his dumb ideas?
Post by: Terrywerm on April 19, 2019, 12:31:41 AM
What happened to all the trump love that was flowing like water earlier in this forum?
The secret truth is that we all suffer from ADHD and we were suddenly distracted by something shiny and new.   

Wait for it....


Wait a little more, it's coming....


SHINY!!!!



There, see, I told ya so!




Oh wait....   What were we talking about again?    ???
Title: Re: Where does Trump get his dumb ideas?
Post by: pep on April 19, 2019, 08:12:29 AM
I say this, one may think his ideas are dumb .......

News flash !
His dumb ideas have made him wealthier that anyone here will ever be ...


So who has the dumb ideas?

I just love the Monday morning quarterbacks ...

Trump is a street fighter, that is the right guy at the right time.... but the pathetic of the US population are so hung up in bull shit it is imposable for things to get done .

Even with all the distractions coming at him from morons the man still gets things done.

What did you do today ?
 
pep
Title: Re: Where does Trump get his dumb ideas?
Post by: jpigg55 on April 19, 2019, 09:46:47 AM
I think building a wall is stupid.
Let's face it, if the government is involved, it will cost 10 times the estimated cost, be fraught with corruption, and do little to stem the tide of illegal immigrants.
Just look at what the Maginot Wall did to stop the Germans in the early days of WWII. Even Patton said "Permanent defensive structures are a testament to the arrogance of man".

There needs to be stiffer penalties for illegals, not just tossing them on a bus and shipped back to where they came from, they'll just come back.
If they are not citizens of this country, they should not be allowed the same rights and treatment. They actually get more lenient treatment. If I were to commit murder, I'd be in prison for the rest of my life. If I were an illegal immigrant, I'd just get shipped back to whence I came.
Title: Re: Where does Trump get his dumb ideas?
Post by: Carpenter84 on April 19, 2019, 10:40:54 AM
Since we don't have a huge immigrant issue in my little corner of the world, we have more and more ethnicity as time goes on, perpetuating new constructuring sales, but they're very often not willing to spend money on renovating. So, when I worked new construction, certain sites were nothing but, but I cannot recall a reno I've done that wasn't for a white person.
However, I have encountered many in daily life. Store owners, different grades, etc, I haven't had much of an issue.

There is a part of me that believes, we are human. Period... If you travel high enough in the sky, you no longer see lines drawn on the ground.
If I want to live in a different part of the world, it should not cost me most of the money I've made in my life.
Now this comes with a BIG however... I fully expect that I'd have to become a citizen and be expected to pull my weight. And in doing so, be given much of the same social help of recieved as a normal citizen. Not more. Not less.
As it is now, if I do not pull my weight, I get nothing from the government. No benefits, no money, no housing. (Yes, there is welfare... That's another argument...)
If I cannot pull my weight, I go back home. I do not become a bum on social assistance.
I do not believe closing the border, or ...building a wall... Is the answer. If someone wants to change their life for the better and are willing to do the work necessary, then so be it. Where the penalties should lie is with the employers. If you hire illegal, someone who's not willing to follow the rules, then you get penalized, heavily... It is not fair that an immigrant can be hired for less than me. But if he does the necessary work, and just so happens to be more skilled than I, well, that's fair game. Isn't it?
If you come over illegally, then you recieved nothing.
Are there holes in this idea. Probably
Am I politician? No, and that's why...
Title: Re: Where does Trump get his dumb ideas?
Post by: Terrywerm on April 19, 2019, 10:50:31 AM

I do not wish to attack any one else's opinions here, but would like to point out a few things.


First, the Maginot Line was a series of fortifications, not a wall. It was designed to deter crossing into France, and encourage any enemy to invade France in a specific area where France could more easily defend it's border with a smaller force. It didn't work, but that is beside the fact that it was not a contiguous defensive wall.


Second, the German invasion of France was by an armed force, not a continued onslaught by unorganized individuals or small groups, mostly unarmed.


Third, Trump's wall is not meant to be a defensive wall in the military sense. It's role is entirely different.


A wall is a control device, controlling the points where people can cross the border. Is a wall foolproof or impenetrable?  No.  But it is enough of a deterrent to greatly stem the tide of individuals that cross the border illegally, leaving us with fewer people to deal with through the immigration system. It would allow us to control who comes in, and how many. It's not that we want to keep everyone out, either. We want people to come here legally, and through the proper channels. Too many of those coming here have no interest in becoming citizens or in becoming a part of US society. They only wish to reap what they can any way that they can.


I do agree that penalties for being here illegally should be far stiffer than they are and would go a long way towards keeping the illegals out. But, if they can get here easily enough, they will keep coming and will try to keep their heads down and make a go of it. If they get caught and sent back, they simply try again and try not to make the same mistakes a second time. Adding a wall to the stiff penalties would make it so that the juice just would not be worth the squeeze.


We could add more border patrol officers, yes, but at what cost?  The US-Mexico border is 1954 miles long. If you placed armed sentries all along its length, one every 50 yards, it would take 68,781 men to cover the border for just one eight hour shift. It takes 4.5 shifts to cover the clock seven days per week, plus have relief for breaks, vacations, and the like. That is 309,515 individuals just as sentries. Assuming a $50,000 per year wage for each one, plus benefits, so about $75,000 per individual. The total cost  - and this is sticker shock - $23,213,625,000 per year just for the sentries. That's 23.21 BILLION dollars per year and doesn't include the cost of training, equipment, supervisory or managerial staff.  And to top it off, 50 yards is a lot of ground to guard for one person. People would still sneak past them easily, especially at night.


Let's assume that a wall will cost $1000 per lineal foot including appropriate gates at ports of entry, etc.  I think that is a pretty realistic figure, depending on just how it is built. The cost of the wall using that figure would be $10,317,120,000.  Once it's up, there would be maintenance cost, yes, but it would be far less than the cost of armed sentries.


So, even if the wall cost ten times the estimate, it will still be cheap compared to other solutions to protect the border over an extended period of time of just a few years.


We all know that something needs to be done, and I believe that a wall is the most cost effective border control measure available.
Title: Re: Where does Trump get his dumb ideas?
Post by: 4GSR on April 19, 2019, 11:17:53 AM
In most countries of the world, if you cross boarders illegally, you probably will be shot!  Not all countries would do this, most would probably put you in a prison camp at hard labor until your time come to be deported.  Maybe that's what we need to do.  Hard labor to learn a lesson not to cross the boarder illegally.  Of course that would be inhuman according to the UN. :(
Title: Re: Where does Trump get his dumb ideas?
Post by: f350ca on April 19, 2019, 12:13:44 PM
I think your wall might work. The Chinese built one centuries ago and look how few Mexicans they have.

Greg
Title: Re: Where does Trump get his dumb ideas?
Post by: 4GSR on April 19, 2019, 01:48:04 PM
I think your wall might work. The Chinese built one centuries ago and look how few Mexicans they have.

Greg

Ouch!!!
Double ouch!!
Title: Re: Where does Trump get his dumb ideas?
Post by: Bill Gruby on April 19, 2019, 05:18:07 PM
 Good shot Greg. ROTFLMAO.

 "Billy  G"
Title: Re: Where does Trump get his dumb ideas?
Post by: Jake Parker on April 19, 2019, 06:38:09 PM
Save the wall money.
Tax the s#it out if the illegals,
Take away there free helth care
Take away there EBT cards
Make ALL government documents that need to be filled for anything in ENGLISH only
No free lunches
No free phones
Fine then hevily for flying ANY flag other than the "Stars and Bars"
And then tax the s#it out of them some more.
Do all that, and the problem will pretty much take care of itself.
Title: Re: Where does Trump get his dumb ideas?
Post by: Terrywerm on April 20, 2019, 01:44:43 AM

Jake, you've actually got a VERY good point. Something tells me though that the bleeding hearts would say that we cannot tax the illegals because they are not citizens.



Title: Re: Where does Trump get his dumb ideas?
Post by: 4GSR on April 20, 2019, 08:10:47 AM
Wish there was a way to send that to Trump. :(
Title: Re: Where does Trump get his dumb ideas?
Post by: Ulma Doctor on April 20, 2019, 10:32:17 AM
if liberals want illegals to enter our country so badly, they should bring them into their homes to care for them.

otherwise the illegals should stay where they are.
we don't need more problems or drains on our resources
Title: Re: Where does Trump get his dumb ideas?
Post by: jpigg55 on April 20, 2019, 11:08:40 AM
The Maginot Line was indeed just fortifications and not a wall.
My point being there will always be ways to get around, under, over, through a wall. So unless we plan on hiring all those people to man/patrol the wall, it will stop very little.
The drug cartels already have tunnels under the existing walls and digging new ones all the time.

IMHO, Jake has the best answer. Take away all the freebies, don't give citizenship to a baby just because it's born here if the parents aren't citizens.
Taxing them won't work because they have little or nothing, the reason they want to come here. Besides, it would probably cost more than what it would bring in because the government would hire a bunch of people to try and police it.
Fining or taxing the people/businesses that hire them might help, but I doubt it.

And where do our politicians get off letting them vote ?
Just another example of the powers that be using the Constitution for toilet paper.

Here's an idea, let them come and keep giving them free access to everything...as long as for every illegal immigrant on the government dole one politician loses his/her job.
Title: Re: Where does Trump get his dumb ideas?
Post by: Bill Gruby on May 10, 2019, 09:56:39 AM
 If there are any people from other countries needing a constitution please feel free to use ours, we aren't.

 "Billy G"
Title: Re: Where does Trump get his dumb ideas?
Post by: woodchucker on May 10, 2019, 10:47:22 AM
While I am not a Trump fan, I also live in the worst state in the nation.
We have a Gubener (can't use his real title he's an ass) that gave free college to illegal immigrants. I had to pay.. why is it free for them, and why am I paying for them to go.
He is giving them money for other things..., licenses to drive, even though they are illegal. He is taking my money, more of it daily and filling the pockets of his elite friends.  Murphy is a total asswipe. And our state elected him even though he proposed enormous tax and spend projects. He told the voters he would raise there taxes.  And the idiots voted for him.


Our world is upside down as we know it. People have to stop expecting the government to do things for you. That's not what they are there for. We have made it that way, but they are supposed to provide some basic services , infrastructure , police, military, education (at a basic level K-12) I'm sure some more things. But they were not there for to support the ARTS, to do studies on how frogs mate. Or to provide welfrare for people who decided they didn't want to work. How many times have you seen the system worked by our cheating politicians and people who claim the need for a lifetime of welfare.. What gets me is the welfare people who have newer and better phones than I have.
Title: Re: Where does Trump get his dumb ideas?
Post by: PJB on May 11, 2019, 08:28:48 PM
Ya the illegal thing is a huge problem one I don’t claim to know the solution to.  What I do know is Im writing the big checks starting this summer our daughter to attend 4 yr college.   Wife and I began saving every week since she was born out of our paychecks.   3 years later our son was born and I started the same for him.  529 plans they are called.  So for 18 years now our personal savings, retirement and lifestyle in general has been reduced.  “Sacrificed” you might say.   No fancy cars, my clothes are so old most still say made in USA on the tags
You can probably imagine the mid evil torture scenarios I have going on in the bubble over my head involving certain politicians lying strapped to a board- when they talk about “free college for all” and loan forgiveness BS.   
Will those of us that did the right thing by saving and sacrificing be reimbursed or given freebies tuition??? Ya right.   
I’m sorry but seriously F@$k those people
Ok sorry about the ranting I will go calm down now.
Title: Re: Where does Trump get his dumb ideas?
Post by: chips and more on May 11, 2019, 09:15:43 PM
Maybe some of you ain’t seen the illegals in California. They are like locust, everywhere you look. Need more ICE, but I’m not holding my breath! Our new governor is in favor of being a sanctuary State, what a pathetic bunch of bull crap!
Title: Re: Where does Trump get his dumb ideas?
Post by: dlane on May 11, 2019, 10:31:27 PM
Sure hope the left “the country” wakes up before it’s to late , radical Muslim’s in Congress is no good.