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Shapers and Planers / Re: 15" D. McKenzie shaper
« Last post by Carpenter84 on December 03, 2020, 04:17:18 PM »
Sorry, my details were a tad off... I might have been pretty tired the other night when I looked it up.

https://www.mcmaster.com/8220K43

I don't recall you "poo pooing" the shaper, Ray. I know some opinions were to take a long walk past a rebuild machine, I also recall commenting that said comments were generally from gentlemen who have had many machines, possibly including shapers and have since moved on - a valued and respected opinion, regardless... I'm just stubborn!
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Resource Library / Re: Machine info ?
« Last post by jpigg55 on December 03, 2020, 03:39:22 PM »
Whatís available in your neck of the woods is always a big factor. Hard to find the time, let alone having to travel 500+ miles to check out a piece of equipment only to find it has issues or broken/missing components. End up with a very long day or 2 on the road with nothing to show for it.
As for new, it seems to me that name brand doesnít always mean itís not Chinesium either. Iíve looked at many new lathes in the 14Ē x 40Ē size and many of them look almost identical except for the paint job and badge. From the pictures, a Clausing, Clark, Kent, PM all look like they came off the same assembly line. No doubt that there are differences in quality, fit, finish, and so forth, but the designs look all the same to me.
Old iron is arguably the best, but finding one thatís not completely worn out or not having major issues is difficult unless itís been rebuilt. Parts and/or accessories can be very rare as well.
And then there are the price and size issues. Iíve found a few nice looking old iron lathes that were well within my price range, but have neither the room or equipment to move a 5,000# lathe or the electrical service available to power a 10 HP 440v motor.
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Resource Library / Re: Machine info ?
« Last post by chips and more on December 03, 2020, 02:48:15 PM »
This will always be a good question. What iron should I buy? I guess Iím kinda snobby about it. It would be last on my list to buy overseas iron. I hear and see PM get a lot of talk. But the bottom line, itís still Chinesium! And I donít care if made in an ISO certified shopÖno big deal!  Thatís just buzz talk, like ďfree shippingĒ, come-on people, nothing is free! Clausing Colchester iron is good, but if you need parts for it, donít expect any bargain. If was me, I guess, I would scour my local for sale ads and patiently wait until my turn came up on an used USA made lathe. And being in the Bay Area California it would not take long. Sorry folks, lots to pick from in these woods :)

And also want to mention. If I was looking for a lathe. Absolutely no flat belt driven lathe. And the lathe MUST have a quick change gear box. And would be nice if the lathe cut English and Metric threads without fiddling with a 127 gear and banjo adjusting.
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Shapers and Planers / Re: 15" D. McKenzie shaper
« Last post by RayH on December 03, 2020, 02:28:32 PM »
You know a hell of a lot more than I do. Yes I know I need a gear pump, but this dumb little pump was all I could find quickly that fit the application and wasnít over $100. Itís advertised as an oil transfer pump, it had good reviews from people actually using it to move oil. I took a chance to get things moving along. When I know whether my idea and setup will work the way I intend, Iíll get something better suited. McMaster has a proper sump style cutting oil pump thatís about $65 USD that would be a good replacement for this. It was actually rather difficult finding a pump that wasnít either too expensive, or just way too big!

Please post a link or PN for the pump you refer to. When I search McMaster for "cutting oil pump" I see an impeller type pump for $160.15 USD.

PS; I poo pooed this machine before you bought it but it's on it's way to being a nice piece. Keep it up.
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Resource Library / Re: Machine info ?
« Last post by PJB on December 03, 2020, 02:06:54 PM »
On a mill, Wells Index would be my first stop or the new Chinesium variation Hardinge passes off as a BP these days.
Every time I read threads like this I thank my lucky stars I snagged my current machines when I did. 
Replacing damn near impossible.
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Resource Library / Re: Machine info ?
« Last post by PJB on December 03, 2020, 02:02:10 PM »
Not aware of any one stop site but definitely check out
LeBlond -
Clausing Colchester -
Lagun -
Standard Modern -
Precision Mathews -
Hardinge -

PM probably going to be the only reasonably affordable one.

Eg - the Standard Modern 1400 lists for $25k
Hardinge omg forget about it.
If I was looking at spending on new the Clausing or Harrisons or PM seem like the best quality per $
Not perfect but.
 
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Shapers and Planers / Re: 15" D. McKenzie shaper
« Last post by Carpenter84 on December 03, 2020, 12:06:46 PM »
Okay, first of all...
How do you know how often I'll use the shaper?!? Huh?? Maybe I'll use it every day!

And second, where the hell was this suggestion before I bought that stupid little pump I bought - for the same cost as these units.. what the hell, man?!

The bull gear isn't low enough to dip into the sump.


Last night when I was looking over all the shaft bores in the main casting, all the oil grooves are fed from button oilers on the ext of the casting. But, every shaft bore has a big nose that protrudes inside the compartment. All I'd have to do is drill a hole into the shaft bore from the inside compartment, and just make sure it's situated within the oil grooves. With a cascading system, I'd be able to hit every single oil point for everything except the table, table drives, and ram ways. I would be able to just have two manifolds across the top of the compartment under the ram ways and with a series of holes just let the oil rain down. It would oil everything inside.
For the ram ways, I have a few gits glass oilers I will use. All the table stuff I'll just oil manually.


The links you posted, those oil tanks, are they under pressure? It wouldn't be difficult to use that tank and pump and just let the oil gravity feed back into the tank, or some other method of recovery
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Resource Library / Machine info ?
« Last post by jpigg55 on December 03, 2020, 11:58:31 AM »
As Iíve stated in a couple threads, Iím in the market for a bigger lathe. One of the biggest issues Iíve ran into is being able to find information about lathes that I find that may fit my bill. Things like country of manufacture, parts availability, add-ons, etc.
Is/are there any websites that anyone knows of that might be helpful in answering some or all of these questions ?

I think sources of info for other equipment (not just lathes) could be helpful as well.
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Shapers and Planers / Re: 15" D. McKenzie shaper
« Last post by 4GSR on December 03, 2020, 11:13:05 AM »
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GENERAL DISCUSSION TO INCLUDE OFF TOPIC / Re: Damn.. getting old sucks.
« Last post by chips and more on December 03, 2020, 10:40:03 AM »
Yeah, getting old s---s and maybe donít go with just one doctorís recommendation either.
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