Author Topic: Violent video games  (Read 1755 times)

dlane

Violent video games
« on: August 26, 2018, 04:18:16 PM »
Anyone else notice that school shootings pretty much started when violent video games started coming out and have gotten worse both the games and school shootings.
Just heard on the news that a Florida video game contest got shot up with mass casualties.
I just caught the end of it I may of missed a lot.
Ok 4dead 10 hurt not a school
« Last Edit: August 26, 2018, 04:22:01 PM by dlane »
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Jake Parker

Re: Violent video games
« Reply #1 on: August 26, 2018, 04:27:33 PM »
First person shooter games are bad news.
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grumpygator

Re: Violent video games
« Reply #2 on: August 26, 2018, 04:31:24 PM »
It's a lack of parenting. Letting kids play with that crap.
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firestopper

Re: Violent video games
« Reply #3 on: August 26, 2018, 04:58:27 PM »
Being a father of a 29 years old son and only child. He was always rewarded for doing well in school with the latest and greatest game consoles. He was allowed any racing games but never violent shooting games. I too feel that the violent exposure has a desensitizing effect on developing young minds. That as well as lack of parenting/discipline. Its truly sad how much America has degraded in so many facets.
Now the idiots will claim it the gun's fault.
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bl00

Re: Violent video games
« Reply #4 on: August 26, 2018, 05:24:56 PM »
They were playing the Madden football game.

Bill Gruby

Re: Violent video games
« Reply #5 on: August 26, 2018, 06:08:18 PM »
 A video game called "Active Shooter" simulates school shootings.

  https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2018/06/school-shooting-video-game/561968/

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Carpenter84

Re: Violent video games
« Reply #6 on: August 26, 2018, 06:18:23 PM »
Violent video games have been out for a lot longer than school shootings have been in the media...
Having grown up in that generation I can assure you the vast majority of the people perpetrating these crimes are usually out cast kids who are generally bullied or made fun of in school, have parents that are either super religious and sheltered, kids who are super spoiled and have no concept of responsibility and consequence, or just simply a sociopath...
That was the same as people blaming Marlyn Manson for Columbine because he had violent lyrics....
I can assure you, having been a complete metal head all my life, and having pkayed heavy metal most of my adolescent years into my late 20's, people who are quite into metal are more often quite stable people. People who are passionate about metal find the music a release, they can relate, it's an outlet. There have been just as many people who commit violent crimes listen to classic rock as they do heavy metal. People are just trying to find an excuse to explain why, when the person was just mentally unwell in some way.

My wife has spent many years in mental health as a pharmacist, working directly with the doctors. She is often the one diagnosing patients by being the one who spends the most time with the patients in the hospital's. We have had MANY conversations over stories on the news about shootings and violent crimes. Including many situations that have happened in Canada and those patients have been patients in her hospital. To make one, was the dude who ran over the police officer with a snow plow and was found not criminally responsible. (Let's not get into that discussion...)

The media is a dangerous thing...

I DO blame the media over things like this, because they focus on something and make it the villian because they couldn't find an answer fast enough. The mob mentality...
Also, I don't think the frequency of shootings increased, you're just hearing about them more because the news makes a circus out of it.
None of it is good... But to choose one reason for a person's violent behaviour when it had been proven benign because the person having mental issues is not media.
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Carpenter84

Re: Violent video games
« Reply #7 on: August 26, 2018, 08:19:43 PM »
As a disclaimer, I suppose.. my response did not come bias because I play video games. In fact, I have not played video games in probably 15 years.

...no, that's a lie. After I got married and my wife and I bought a house I found out she owned an Xbox. I played a WWII shooter game for about 3 weeks. Beat the game and that was it. That was about 5 years ago. When I was a kid I had a Sega. When I was in my early 20s I played quite a bit of call of duty, stand alone... Not online. So my gaming is negligible at best. Certainly not as biased as a daily or weekly gamer could possibly be. I come towards this highly contraversial issue from purely a mental health stand point.
As someone who has lived their whole life with depression - and having even tried to take my life with pills, (obviously not successful, lack of knowledge of pills, I would say) - I have a fairly strong opinion when someone tries to ignore the fact that mental health in North America is something that gets little to no attention.

In Canada, it is almost the first aspect of the government that loses funding. Nearly 85% of these individuals that wind up committing a violent crime have had an undiognosed mental illness. I would say 60% of those have tried to seek medical attention at least once prior to commiting the violent act. It is still looked at as tabboo in many cultures around the world, and there are still places that prosecute patients because they simply don't understand or they don't know how to treat them.
Many of these patients, once diagnosed and medicated, are able to lead a completely normal life as a completely normal person. And yes... Even many who are found not criminally responsible....

Look at it like any other chronic illness... Untreated, it can often make you unable to function as normally. Once treated, you're fine. Often the case with a mental illness, if the person is able to successfully seek help, which unfortunately, is few and far between.....


Yeah... Touchy subject.
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Carpenter84

Re: Violent video games
« Reply #8 on: August 26, 2018, 08:23:43 PM »
A video game called "Active Shooter" simulates school shootings.

  https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2018/06/school-shooting-video-game/561968/

 "Billy G"

Of course there is... Because there ARE sick and twisted people in this world. People that enjoy making fun or light of terrible situations. Or people that will profit from other people's suffering... About a dozen major conglomerate corporations come to mind....
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Re: Violent video games
« Reply #9 on: August 26, 2018, 08:30:07 PM »
I need to stay out of the politics section. Lol.
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savarin

Re: Violent video games
« Reply #10 on: August 26, 2018, 08:45:08 PM »
For those of us who were born before the 60's.
Remember all the so called fighting at school?
Every break time, after school, weekends etc
Probably more accurate to call it rough housing.

Play was often a series of rough house fighting/wrestling matches etc in between all the crazy stunts on your bike, swinging out of trees, jumping from great heights into lakes and those sorts of things.
Very few got really hurt and most ended up finding out the limits of what and what not to do so they didnt go over the top and inflict permanent damage to themselves or anyone else.
As all this kind of behavior is banned today modern kids never find those limits so when they react to real or perceived slights they go over the top not knowing where to stop.
If these modern kids continually play these first person shootem ups and see them as a means of solving problems then I believe they do become desensitised to violence and have no problems in using that as a means of conflict resolution.

Obviously this is a huge over generalisation/simplification but I do think it has some validation.
Like Shawn I also blame the media for sensational promotion as a means of sales and when you add in the legal system with its tricks and outright lies then there is no chance of a solution ever being found.
The treatment of mental illness appears to be diminishing everywhere these days with hospitals and drop in centres being closed or down funded so our politicians can receive a lager salary for doing even less. I better stop here.

Carpenter84

Re: Violent video games
« Reply #11 on: August 26, 2018, 09:44:18 PM »
Okay, I can accept that argument with violent video games. I suppose it could be a trigger for a larger underlying problem. There's a whole generation of kids who grew up in padded rooms not allowed to do anything at all for the fear they will get hurt, get sick from that plastic cup, get illnesses from going outside, getting autism from vaccines.......
I really don't know what started that culture. The first day my wife and I visited the daycare we were going to send the boy to, I was worried about all the rules other parents have with their kids that the daycare would have the same, like my boy sleeping with a blanket... I asked the director a touchy question and she rolled her eyes, I laughed and commented how I instantly realized where they stood on those issues.

I'm not super lax with my boy, but I'm not crazy either... I let him live his life. I don't stop him from being a goof if he wants to. If he gets hurt, he learns. He always has bruises on his head, it's a magnet for the cupboards. he has bruises on his knees and legs, because he's a goof and he plays! He's a kid! He's going to play and get hurt.

The daycare doesnt bother calling us with all the incident reports anymore unless it's actually a problem. I remember the first time he got hurt, bad. He was running with some Lego blocks in his hands, turned a corner, slipped and fell, and buried a few blocks in his forehead. No stitches but he has a permanent mark now. The daycare called my wife all in a panic then she called me. we went in pretty quick, they were all paranoid. We took him home, and he was fine in an hour, and he went back the next day with a nice big hole in his forehead. I laughed it off with them. Once they realised we weren't crazy parents their attitude changed with us/him. I just say, he's a kid, he's going to play and get hurt... It's what happens. We try to prevent it, but not to the point he's not allowed to enjoy his life. I certainly wouldn't want someone to do that to me...
Anyways.. I get a stack of incident reports to sign every few weeks.

These parents sheltering their kids so much they end up rebelling - if they don't wild up completely useless... And some rebel at lot...
I really try to think about how I parent. I think about what I rebelled at when I was a kid. Make sure he knows his boundaries, what he's allowed to do and what not.
I VERY often think about how I'm going to handle him wanting to or sneaking into my shops.
I really don't think I'm going to lock him out. I know for a fact that that is very ineffective.. I could break into any lock as a kid.
But once he starts becoming interested or I find out he's in there, to start teaching him. Teaching him how to use them, but mainly how to use them safely. And encourage if he wants to use the machines to only do it with me, to never make him feel he can't ask me.
I was always afraid to ask my step dad for his boat, or his tools, so I just took them.. and got in trouble. 
Anyways. I digress...
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Re: Violent video games
« Reply #12 on: August 27, 2018, 07:08:13 AM »
https://psychcentral.com/news/2006/07/28/video-games-desensitize-to-real-violence/137.html

My concern has been for many years that violence in movies and games desensitizes. There were reports of ISIS using this technique to get their followers to act they way they did. It seems to me not so much a question of mental illness boiling over as a long term situation where the actual results of your actions has no impact. E.g. real guns make noise, deafen you, blood has a smell, pain inflicted results in screams yet the audio in those games makes most of that go away or subdued enough to not affect you as much.
Add to that the trend to not interact with others in person, e.g. texting each other while at the same table in a restaurant, then there seems a likelihood of violent incidents. Add underlying mental illness and easy access to weapons and you have a powder keg.

jpigg55

Re: Violent video games
« Reply #13 on: August 27, 2018, 07:14:40 AM »
Hum...I didn't know they had violent video games back in the 1840's....when the first recorded US school shooting happened !!!

I could really go overboard on this one, but I'll hold my tongue.
I do agree that how the media handles this, I consider nothing short of criminal, but how society handled it isn't much better.
I don't know what other school district did, but here their response was to put locks and chains on the doors (can anyone say fire hazard) and put bullet proof glass in the office doors and windows !!! No consideration for the kids and teachers, just the administrators !!!

I do agree that society doesn't let kids be kids anymore. We used to play, fight, do stupid things and get hurt all the time, but there was no public outcry or mass media blitz.
I remember riding in the back of pick-up trucks sitting on the tailgate going down the highway at 60 mph. Now, as the driver, I'd be crucified for letting my kids or grandkids do the same. And let's not mention things like "Going to the wood shed". As a kid, I received my fair share of spankings, it showed me there were consequences to my actions and not good ones. Spank your kid in public these days and the Department of child & family services (DCFS) shows up with local law enforcement to take the kid(s) away and lock up the parents.

Here's another little fact, most of the perpetrator's of events like school shootings were on prescribed psychotropic drugs. A kid "Acts up" in school, what's the teaching staff do ??? Demand the parents have them put on Ritalin or some other drug to calm their behavior. They're kids for Christ sake, little balls of energy that you want to lock up for 8+ hours in school with little or no release for it yet you wonder why they act up ??? No, let's make the parents put them on legally prescribed methamphetamines so they're hooked for the rest of their lives on drugs so the Parma Corp can show a bigger profit margin !!! Yet we support the "War on drugs" by a government who can't keep drugs out of our prisons.

The "Sheeple" of the world need to wake up.
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Re: Violent video games
« Reply #14 on: August 27, 2018, 07:44:03 AM »
They need to get parents back to being parents that can discipline kids without getting into trouble. Then let kid be kids, send them out to play, not sit behind a screen all day.   Let them get dirty, and occasionally banged up a bit.   That is how they learn.  Teach them gun safety,  not try to hide it from them.   
They need to know there are consequences for their actions.   Even the schools use to paddle kids, then when you got home you got in trouble again.   Now if you did the things that our parents did to us they get in trouble big time.   
Look at some of the news,   Parents getting cops called on them because they let the kid take the dog for a walk, or walk to the park to play.   
or walk to school etc.   
Also the media does not help one bit.   They draw ratings by the amount of this stuff they can put on the air.   Rather than just stating facts and getting on with it.   That makes more of them want to get into the news etc. 

The more they try to protect, and coddle the kids it seem the worse it gets.  And the bad thing is then they are worse parents, and society starts to break down even more as they then have no idea how to be a parent for their kids. etc.
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