Author Topic: Violent video games  (Read 1534 times)

Carpenter84

Re: Violent video games
« Reply #15 on: August 27, 2018, 09:09:48 AM »
Re:spanking.

Half a centuries worth of studies have irrefutably proven that discipline via spanking (etc) have caused psychological damage that often crops up later in life. Often displayed with failed careers, failed marriages, failed parenting, the lack of drive or direction, confidence, the list goes on.
Everybody and their uncle argues that they were spanked as a child and it did them no damage. But unfortunately, the studies completed are too numerous and vast to argue that it's only hype.

What it comes down to, myself being a parent of a young boy, I have no idea what will happen with him. It's a crap shoot. I have ideas in my head from living the past 34, seeing and living the reactions and actions of kids to verious types of parenting, and honestly, I have no idea what to do. I generally try to approach things in a logical, common sense manner, but in reality, he is going to be his own personal and follow/believe what he wants. He will take more influence from those around him than he will from myself or my wife. All we can do is try to steer him in what we believe is the right direction. I will give him every conceivable opportunity to expand himself or to try what he wishes to try, but not to deny him the experiences of life. I strongly believe if you shelter him, or forbid him in any way, he will do it any ways.
You wanna try smoking? Here you go. See, it makes you sick, it does Not make you look cool, and chances are, those kids you want to hang with will likely get you in trouble.
Etc etc etc...
What the hell else am I supposed to do??
If I try to take the temptation out of something and either let him try, or just educate about it, then maybe he will be less likely to go and do that or get in trouble or hurt himself.
You're gonna go smoke pot? Fine, I obviously can't stop you. But here are some things to remember. And don't over do it..
I know you snuck into the shop, let's go talk about it. I'll teach you how, but you must always have me here.
Etc etc etc.

I have seen how current parenting is changing from the previous generations. Were not nearly as paranoid and internet hype following. I think people opened their eyes a bit and saw how insane it became. And started asking their own parents how to parent. I mean... We all DID survive childhood... Right?

Shawn

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DeadNutz

Re: Violent video games
« Reply #16 on: August 27, 2018, 10:24:32 AM »
There is a difference between discipline and abuse but the experts try to lump them together. Being spanked did not turn me into an abusive wife beating society hating sociopath. They have banned many of the playground activities and games we played in school because they are too damaging to kids self esteem. No more dodgeball or tag or similar games. Kids are not taught to excel at sports and you will get a participation trophy just for being there. I agree that times are different from my days of us kids riding wherever we wanted to on our bikes even miles from home after school.

There were no video games and we did not spend time glued to the TV as we were too busy playing sports or cowboys and indians or combat. We also had chores to do every single day, homework and had to help our dad with his swimming pool business every summer break from the time we were old enough to carry a bottle of chlorine or acid. If we busted butt getting the pools done and we had enough time left, we were rewarded with going fishing, playing little league, golfing and a myriad of activities. Our family spent a whole lot of time camping in the mountains, desert, beach or at the lake with the boat. Their philosophy was we could make our food anywhere and gas was cheap.

We learn to work to get what we wanted. If you expected to get it sitting on your butt you were in for an awful long wait for something you wanted and would never get. I don't know the answers to what is going on today but I have a good idea. Times have changed for sure.

Carpenter84

Re: Violent video games
« Reply #17 on: August 27, 2018, 10:57:00 AM »
There is a difference between discipline and abuse but the experts try to lump them together.

No they don't.
Shawn

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jpigg55

Re: Violent video games
« Reply #18 on: August 28, 2018, 07:27:41 AM »
There is a difference between discipline and abuse but the experts try to lump them together.

No they don't.

Oh really, here's a good example for you.
Some older boy pinched my granddaughter on the school bus leaving black and blue marks. My granddaughter stuck out her tongue and blew him a raspberry.
I found out about this when she received an inschool suspension from the school for "Spitting" at this boy.
My wife and I contacted the school to find out what had happened. They wouldn't let us see the bus driver report, wouldn't let us see the video surveillance footage from the bus, just told it was just an in school suspension, it wouldn't hurt her.
As it turned out, this wasn't the first time he'd assaulted younger kids on the bus, but he was labeled as a "Special Ed/Needs" kid so the school wouldn't do anything to this boy because they get extra funding for him.
This is what comes from these supposed experts. Look deep enough and you'll find money/funding behind their spew. What will they say when this kid rapes some girl because he was never taught boundaries ??? "Oh it's okay, it was just a little rape, no real harm done. He is a special needs boy after all".

Needless to say, my granddaughter is being home schooled now along with at least two others that this boy assaulted. Wonder how the school likes that loss of funding ???
Oh, the parents of this boy have been approached about his behavior by involved parents and don't seem to care as long as it doesn't inconvenience them. Guess they must be afraid they'll do him some psychological harm or maybe they gave him a "Time Out". You know, sent to his room for 30 minutes with his cell phone, TV, and X-box.
Boy that will sure teach him a lesson !!!

I'd sure like to be there later when this kid ends up being sent to prison. I'd just look at them and say "Don't worry, it's just a little time out, no harm".
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Carpenter84

Re: Violent video games
« Reply #19 on: August 28, 2018, 08:12:17 AM »
The councelers in the school's are far from experts. The Drs leading these studies are professionals at the top of their leagues having spent their entire lives devoted to finding answers.
I can assure you... unfortunately... an accredited psychologist is not working for the school boards.
And yes, very often the issues are swept under the rug due to funding or lack of resources to deal with the problems.
Or in many cases, the inability to deal with the children. The parents don't discipline and don't want anyone else to either. The school system just passes the buck back to the parents.
And again, unfortunately, it's generally these types of kids, living with no consequence, that wind up in trouble.

I am not a professional, by any standards. Just a fly on the wall listening to the emense problems in this countries health care from within the health care system. It's a huge problem. As long as our govenrtments continue to pull funding from health care and school systems, the problems are unlikely to go away on their own.
Shawn

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Carpenter84

Re: Violent video games
« Reply #20 on: August 28, 2018, 08:14:08 AM »
Why do you think I'm so worried about my kid entering the world? And trying to figure out a method to teach him to not be a giant dick to the world.
Shawn

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4GSR

Re: Violent video games
« Reply #21 on: August 28, 2018, 09:50:33 AM »
Aw Shawn, your kid will be alright.  It's the dad I worry about! ;D ;D ;D ;) ;)
Ken

Carpenter84

Re: Violent video games
« Reply #22 on: August 28, 2018, 04:43:04 PM »
Ya I know! Me too!! 😳😳😳
Shawn

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jpigg55

Re: Violent video games
« Reply #23 on: August 28, 2018, 05:10:29 PM »
The councelers in the school's are far from experts. The Drs leading these studies are professionals at the top of their leagues having spent their entire lives devoted to finding answers.

I wasn't referring to school councilors, I was referring to the Dr's.
It's really not their fault either, it's the educational system in general.
For instance, look at medical doctors. I have the highest esteem for these dedicated individuals for what they do, but what and how they're taught in medical school has changed drastically over the last few decades. Much of the curriculum is dictated to the school by big money interests corporations like Big Pharma.
Ask yourself this, when is the last time you went to a doctor and weren't given a prescription ??? Even if all you have is the common cold, they'll still prescribe antibiotics "Just in Case".
They will give you a diagnosis even if they haven't the foggiest clue what's wrong with you so they can prescribe you medication.

Maybe it isn't  that way in Canada, but I can assure you it's the case here.
In any case, whether you use physical punishment, discuss the issue, or some other means to instill a sense of responsibility to your kids, they SHOULD be okay. There is the issue of what society teaches these kids now-a-days though. I think that's why there are so many confused and frustrated parents out there like yourself.
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