Author Topic: What's wrong here  (Read 928 times)

jpigg55

What's wrong here
« on: September 09, 2018, 08:26:30 AM »
The wife wasnt impressed to begin with, but I did it as a necessity to being in possession of .22LR I inherited, and also my Benjamin .22 springer that I rebuilt to around 800fps.
I have a Crosman 2240 I rebuilt with variable hammer spring tension adjustment, so technically it's also capable of firing over 500fps, but I do not keep it dialed in that way. But if it were confiscated, I'm sure the RCMP would not approve.. so, in that case, I SHOULD have my R-PAL, but it likely won't be right now. My wife is your typical goofy Canadian woman who haaaaaates guns, and is afraid of them - "I don't want them in my house!!!", So owning an actual pistol is wildly unlikely.

Does anyone else see something inherently wrong with this ?
I wonder if Canadians would feel the same way if their government adopted similar laws concerning their automobiles.
"I'm sorry Mr Johnson, but since your drivers license is no longer valid, we have to confiscate your cars."
or
"....we have to confiscate your property and, BTW, you'll be receiving a rather large fine and possibly jail time because your car was CAPABLE of exceeding the posted speed limit."

IMHO, this is what happens when a government becomes too powerful and overreaching. Sadly, I can see the same thing happening here in the not too distant future.
I just don't understand how people can be so STUPID !!! Do they think they'll really be safer ???
I believe they just want to take away the one means the people have to toss them out of power. They don't care one bit about the safety of the people they govern. If they did, we'd see something being done to the criminal element and not imposing laws on the law abiding citizenry. Punishments would be swift and harsh and not the kid glove method they use now.
"I'm sorry Mrs Johnson that this animal took your husbands life, but he has rights."

It's a sad state of affairs when someone will spend more time in prison for smoking a joint than taking some ones life, but that's where we are.
Besides, if our illustrious officials are totally incapable of keeping illegal drugs and weapons out of prisons, why do people think they can control them in public ?

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Carpenter84

Re: What's wrong here
« Reply #1 on: September 09, 2018, 09:41:27 AM »
With drugs it's all about money. The government makes copious amounts of money from the "war on drugs". The firearms thing is a different animal. The public cry out for a solution to the gun problem, the government complies and makes drastic changes regardless of the outcome. People want gun control because they don't understand where the problem actually lies. The liberals are generally about keeping face while screwing you from behind and underneath.
That's all the new gun reform is about. The public outcry for a change, the government not doing things subtly, but going balls to the wall without actually thinking it through.

It's complicated.
Shawn

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gerritv

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Re: What's wrong here
« Reply #2 on: September 09, 2018, 09:48:33 AM »
Most of us up here don't seem to have a problem differentiating between the risks and dangers of the two (cars vs firearms). Both are regulated and require licenses to ensure there is some indication of proficiency and taking of responsibility.

There are lots of people who don't like guns, just like there are lots of people who wouldn't dream of having a gas cooker in their kitchen.

Re: taking govts out of power, in the last US election almost 50% decided not to vote so they lost the chance to have a say. I would say that is a far bigger issue than whether you can 'take up arms' and have another civil war.  We made the same mistake recently here in Ontario, low voter turnout resulted in a very poor choice of government (IMO). Apparently too many don't care at all who governs them.

gerritv

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Re: What's wrong here
« Reply #3 on: September 09, 2018, 09:55:15 AM »
With drugs it's all about money. The government makes copious amounts of money from the "war on drugs". The firearms thing is a different animal. The public cry out for a solution to the gun problem, the government complies and makes drastic changes regardless of the outcome. People want gun control because they don't understand where the problem actually lies. The liberals are generally about keeping face while screwing you from behind and underneath.
That's all the new gun reform is about. The public outcry for a change, the government not doing things subtly, but going balls to the wall without actually thinking it through.

It's complicated.

Actually the govt spends copious amounts of our money on the war on drugs, to the financial benefit of corporations who produce firearms, tactical gear, run prisons etc.  (That applies to US and Canada). It looks great on paper but accomplishes nothing beyond enrichment of those corps. It would be much more effective to spend that money on mental health and gang eradication.

As I noted in the other thread, the recent direction to Bill Blair in Canada was to study something, which is political speak for 'look like you are doing something without actually making any changes'. Trudeau is smart enough to know that banning handguns will change nothing. There is nothing in Bill C-71 to make any significant changes, take the time to read it.

savarin

Re: What's wrong here
« Reply #4 on: September 09, 2018, 11:10:58 AM »
I know, lets make it illegal to own a firearm, that way we can keep them out of the hands of criminals right?Yeah right, no way a crim can get a gun if there illegal. Just look at australia.

Carpenter84

Re: What's wrong here
« Reply #5 on: September 09, 2018, 11:13:58 AM »
But it looks good to the rest of the world... I was going to mention Australia. A few of the common wealth countries have a ban of some kind in place. But no, more often than not, it doest work.
Shawn

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Carpenter84

Re: What's wrong here
« Reply #6 on: September 09, 2018, 11:21:10 AM »
I will admit tho, the way Canada goes about its gun licensing, more specifically it's training, is much better than much of the major countries in the world. The instructor had some good stats. The number of accidental shootings is quite a bit lower in Canada. You don't often hear of neighbours being shot in bed because the gun owner next door was cleaning his gun and it went off.
The ACTS-PROVE methodology is relatively sound, IF it's practiced .. obviously. It's pretty easy and an easy habbit to get into. Takes mere seconds.

I was somewhat surprised to hear the law enforcement and military do not employ the training the RCMP has standardized. In fact, a vast number of new officers do not practice. They pass their test and that's it.
He was saying the police target leagues are becoming a thing of the past as the old timers retire.
Shawn

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Ko Lee 6x12 surface grinder,
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jpigg55

Re: What's wrong here
« Reply #7 on: September 10, 2018, 07:39:58 AM »
Re: taking govts out of power, in the last US election almost 50% decided not to vote so they lost the chance to have a say. I would say that is a far bigger issue than whether you can 'take up arms' and have another civil war.  We made the same mistake recently here in Ontario, low voter turnout resulted in a very poor choice of government (IMO). Apparently too many don't care at all who governs them.

I don't think that's the case. I think it is a sign that people may be starting to wake up to the fact that it doesn't matter who you vote for, nothing will change.
I don't remember the author, but I heard a saying from one of the old 19th century US Robber Barons:
"I care not who the people vote for as long as I choose from whom they vote from" or something like that.
From the primaries to the elections, the people have no say as to who will be on the ticket. That's all decided by the parties who are owned and controlled by big money.
Even if an elected official has the peoples best interest they are rendered useless by the system.
I'm not sure how it's done in other countries, but here in the US the first day they take office, their party hands them a bill to the tune of about $250,000 for "Running their election". They can choose to pay it out of pocket or get handed a list with phone numbers and told to go across the street and start making calls. Calls to big money people/companies to "Fund Raise".
Once this is done, they're handed a "Menu", a price list for:
Cost to sit on a committee.
Cost to head a committee.
Cost to submit a bill.
Cost to........etc, basically anything they want/need to do.
And what if they choose to not play this game ? They are ostracized  and neutered by their party and definitely won't be supported for re-election.

Just ask yourself, who in their right mind would spend tens of millions of their own money to gain office and then spend millions more in office to get a job that will net them a few million over their lifetime ? Would you ? That's the way it has gotten to be here so I blame no-one for not voting. To me it shows an apathy to the system. If no-one cares or listens, they're rendered inert since they only have the power we give them and, I believe, the "Peoples right to keep and bear arms" is there to ensure it stays that way.
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